with me. >> on friday. the president of the nra said this. >> next week. we will be interested in talking about these. and contact us please at that point. we will be willing to talk to anyone on monday. he has been busy running around and spent some time today with cnn. joining me now, we are not afraid to discuss this with anything. the buyback has been something to be hold. and it has been really sat tur ration and the guns have been pouring in. it is a feeling that is different about it this time. this is happening in big cities in la. >> we are already sensitive to it and not in some of the more rural parts of the country. what i think is important is the sensation that is occurring throughout the country. it doesn't mean that it is prevent i preventing getting one of those guns. it is clearly happening out there. and karen the drudge report going crazy. jared loughner used ed handgun you couldn't write legislation that did not try to take that gun out of jared loughner's hand. we had a weapon that was used. i think he modified his ar 15 to be able to shoot more people faster but yea

about it. the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on, and again i think this question of getting something meaningful done because as dana pointed out, we know the nra isn't stopping. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. how do we make sure something doesn't get watered down in the enand we get something meaningful? >> the key thing is to remember that the president has the bully pulpit and there are 535 people on capitol hill who can do something by sending a bill to the president that he can sign into law, but none of that is going to happen unless the anger that was there in the immediate hours and days of sandy hook, unless th

sheriffs are now backing the proposal, including sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia tech, columbine, they had two armed guards on the campus at the time, virginia tech had 34 armed guards. so the evidence, sheriff, suggests that armed guards on campus do not stop school massacre. >> well, you see a school that i grew up in, there was just one building. and some of these campuses or college campuses, as you point out, there could be eight, there could be 20-some odd buildings. and to my point, training and arming designated school administrators or designated teachers. some school districts may not want to do this, but for those who do, law enforcement provides them that training, and they would be a critical, imm

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